Can I get the summary in English please?

I test drove a Yaris Cross (corolla not available here yet) and it was pretty awful.

 

No comparison in English yet, but here's a review of the Corolla Cross.

 

couldn't understand a word BUT i found it entertaining when the smaller guy couldn't get the tailgate down, the look on his face was priceless lol

 

The Thai version is not a fair comparison for the rest of the world as here in Thailand the only engine available is the 2 liter 165hp engine which is still faster the the 142 combined hp of the Toyota. it you want gas mileage buy the Toyota as it is hybrid and CVT. If you want performance buy the Mazda. Even here in Thailand the Mazda will run rings around the Toyota.

 

Well, the Corolla Cross is finally coming Stateside, meaning there will be lots more comparisons with the CX-30.

 

press release from Toyota Canada

News Releases - Toyota Canada

Keep up with the latest Toyota news and press releases.

www.toyota.ca

 

This will sell more than the CX-30 for sure having the Toyota badge coupled with its track record for reliability and the styling is conservative way better than the dud CH-R not to mention with the available AWD that CH-R was sorely lacking. won’t be surprised if eventually CH-R is discontinued down the road same fate as what happened to CX-3 soon as CX-30 cannibalized its sales. CX-3 was on the old smaller platform while CX-30 was on the newer platform so Toyota implementing the same strategy here with the Corolla Cross! Am sure it’s going to be a hit for them…

 

Tekz: I concur. The Corolla Cross will be a strong seller for Toyota...and a competitor to Mazda's CX-30. Pros: It'll be made at Toyota's new manufacturing facility that they share w/Mazda in Huntsville, Alabama; available AWD; the top model XLE will have lots of safety features including front & rear cross traffic alert with brake assist; like Mazda, LED lights all around; AWD will have independent rear suspension. CONs: 2 liter, 165 hp engine; CVT (traditional first gear though); no memory seats; no 360º camera; FWD will have torsion-beam rear suspension; will probably handle like a Corolla. Won't be on dealer lots until Sept or so; no pricing announced as of yet. We'll see how much of a CX-30 competitor it will be then...

 

yes curious to find out how it does against the CX-30 but my gut tells me it’ll do well and better than the CX-30 and while I didn’t really look and considered the CX-30 when I shopped for a new vehicle at the time, this CC might be something worth looking at. Sure it only has a 2.0L engine and CVT but I’ve tested the Corolla HB and didn’t mind the engine & CVT combo plus ind rear suspension with the AWD as well as better fuel economy (under 8/100Km) with reports of hybrid versions planned in future as well. What I didn’t like about the CX-30 was the rear torsion beam setup despite having AWD and while styling is great just like other Mazda models, too prominent plastic cladding was a turn off to me. I considered the Seltos too but was afraid of their IVT having heard of numerous reliability issues to the point of whole tranny being replaced within the first year! We are considering downsizing from our current CX-9 in future (empty nesters) and could be looking at a subcompact CUV as a replacement.

 

Here's a closer look at the Corolla Cross.

 

I'm sure it will be a good car but he seldom sees anything he doesn't like about the cars he reviews. Usually puff pieces.

 

Here's another embargo review.

 

I want to see all the numbers on Edmunds to compare the CC and CX-30. I don't like the looks of the CC as much as the CX-30.

 

The review embargo has finally been lifted.

 

This could hurt CX-30 sales…it still is bland (style wise) and slower with the weaker 2.0 engine and CVT but given it’s a Toyota with the “Corolla” name/badge on it will sell in boatloads (with Toyota’s track record for reliability). Not to mention having a larger cargo space than CX-30 and better fuel economy! This is what the CH-R should have been just like the CX-30 that should have been the CX-3. It will Likely lead to the CHR’s demise just like what CX-30 did to CX-3!

 

For $34,000 you can have a fully loaded CX-30 Turbo which drives better as MotoMan mentions in the video.
By the way, built in a Mazda factory which is own 50/50 with Toyota.

 

I was watching a video from Alex on Autos (one of my top reviewers) and took some screen shots and compared them to my CX-30 GS, quite a let down to me on the way they are finishing the new Cross.
First was the engine compartment, and things that bug me when I check and compare this area. No engine cover to clean up top of the engine (not an expensive item but very effective) and no under hood sound pad, just the exposed cross members of the hood assembly (again a very cheap fix to make it so much better). And check out the engine size difference and transmissions.

 

The CC will be for folks that just want reliable appliances taking them from pt A to B. If they want something that drives better, looks better with more engine and better interior materials then the CX-30 is the better choice…unfortunately majority of the buyers are in the former category.

 

Your comments about reliability confound me. Here in Australia most of our Toyota's and Mazda's come out of Japan which is a big plus. Both have an exceptional reputation for reliability and have had for decades. Bought my first Mazda in 1999 and the CX30 due this week will be our 6th. Too early for me to judge the CX30 but all of the others gave us absolutely trouble free motoring. I also own a Toyota Landcruiser 200 TD for towing our caravan - the Mazda will be an every day traveller. I couldn't in all honestly say Toyota is better, just that it ticks most of the boxes but for aesthetics and historically its paint job is superior to Mazda. In my opinion the Corolla Cross is butt ugly, in desperate need of a major nose job. I'd be embarrassed to own one of those.

 

another area that bugged me too, was the finish on the door panels, the CX-30 has far more style, contrasting colours, fabric in the doors (even the rear doors) instead of all the molded hard injected plastics and not even a door pocket in the rear door of the TC.

 

gauge comparison

 

Our CX-30 has a good gauge setup but there is plenty of room on the right to include at least an oil pressure gauge and make it 3 gauges at 12, 4 and 8 or even give 4 gauges at 12, 3, 6 and 9 or maybe better yet at 01:30, 04:30, 07:30 and 10:30.

 

Toyota Canada has now the MSRP on their website and some key features (they are all with auto CVT)

L FWD - $24,890 - heated front seats, 17" steel wheels, LED headllamps, 6-spk audio & 7" touchscreen, Toyota Safety Sense 2.0
L AWD - $26,290

LE FWD - $27,090 - 8" touchscreen, smart key with push button start, heated steering wheel, 17" alloys, Blind spot monitor with rear cross traffic alert
LE AWD - $28,490
LE Premium AWD - $30,590 - moonroof, wireless charging, short range FOB remote start, roof rails, audio plus with remote

XLE AWD - $33,990 - 9 speaker JBL audio, 8-way power seats, dual zone a/c, 18" alloys, LED fog lights,

Freight & delivery - $1,860
A/C tax charge - $100

 

A/C charge - $100

They charge extra for what should be automatically included? Crazy.

 

Corolla Cross is really nice looking. While not as stilish, the interior has improved a lot.
Unfortunately, that horrifying gearbox and the handling...

 

Agreed but there are a ton of loyal Toyota followers that will buy them despite those compromises…the Toyota herds!

 

from Driving.ca under the heading "These are the 7 most disappointing cars we drove in 2021"
from one of the reviewers:

"But the car that disappointed me, because I expected it to be so much better, was the all-new Toyota Corolla Cross. I thought I’d basically get the solid little Corolla sedan with more cargo space, but it’s not quite up to snuff. It feels underpowered, and its CVT is noisy and with a rubber-band feel that most automakers – including Toyota, in other models – long since fixed. There’s very little rear legroom, the steering feels dull and vague, and the noisy cabin booms and echoes over road bumps. It’ll still work for people who just want a reliable and relatively inexpensive little crossover, but it could have been better."

 

I compared them both in-person several weeks ago before deciding to go with the 2022 CX-30 AWD Carbon Edition (instead of the Corolla Cross XLE AWD). Literally the only positive selling points for me on a Corolla Cross over my CX-30 was:

• The Corolla Cross body cladding is better incorporated into the styling of the vehicle & doesn't look so generically uniform (& thick).
• Toyota is wise enough to pair both direct & port injection together in their TNGA GDI engine design - so no eventual carbon-sludge buildup & costly removal like all the pure GDI engines pretty much every other automaker goes with. I read that Mazda pure GDI Skyactiv engines now purposely run hotter to reduce/slow the problem, but who knows. Direct+Port injection GDI is just a smarter design for a variety of reasons, & as a bonus the cleaning additives in fuel can hit ALL the parts in the engine that they need to, to prevent the eventual carbon buildup that plagues regular, pure-direct injection designs.

The interior of the Corolla Cross is basically identical to the 2020 TNGA Corolla SE Sedan that I traded-in. While the Corolla is comfortable enough to sit in & drive, the CX-30 is more so, & the interior is more refined & premium feeling as an added bonus. The infotainment touch-screen system in the Corolla looks like a tacky, dated, clunky, bolted-on afterthought. Also, I had issues with the push-button start system not always wanting to start vehicle on first press, which may have been tied to some parasitic systems/battery issues my Corolla also seemed to have (Toyota replaced OEM battery 2 times in 2 years under warranty, so I was on my 3rd battery when I traded it in after 2.5 years of ownership). Toyota claimed everything was working normally, so go figure.

Aesthetically on exterior, both the CX-30 & Corolla Cross XLE look quite a bit better in-person than in the videos/pics I have seen, so don't judge any exterior/interior cosmetics without seeing either vehicle in-person for yourself. Seeing (& driving) the CX-30 in-person was what ultimately sold it for me, & the cladding/plastic didn't bother me really at that point, especially with the black wheels on the Carbon Edition (& visualizing how it would look with the front chrome grill & side chrome trim blackout that I was going to do).

IMO, Toyota is slowly becoming a shadow of the company they were in terms of quality/reliability, just like Honda has done over the last 15 years. My 2015 Toyota Yaris SE 5-MT hatch (with its older, bulletproof 1NZ-FE engine & tech) was a MUCH better vehicle IMO than my newer-tech, more-expensive TNGA Corolla SE Sedan 6-MT. Mazda, on the other hand seems to have upped their game over the same time span & has caught/surpassed them both in many ways.

 

IMO, Toyota is slowly becoming a shadow of the company they were in terms of quality/reliability, just like Honda has done over the last 15 years. My 2015 Toyota Yaris SE 5-MT hatch (with its older, bulletproof 1NZ-FE engine & tech) was a MUCH better vehicle IMO than my newer-tech, more-expensive TNGA Corolla SE Sedan 6-MT. Mazda, on the other hand seems to have upped their game over the same time span & has caught/surpassed them both in many ways.

I think in terms of quality most manufacturers are doing the same. There's a drop across the board, just look at the new Audi and VW group interiors...