[30pilot]

7 years as of model-year 2026 & not even the basic mid-cycle refresh/facelift update is pretty sad though. One of the pitfalls of Mazda being one of the smallest global automakers I suppose, along with their priorities & resources being aimed directly at their CX-5 & larger (more profitable) offerings.

I'm thinking they are doing just fine. It's not the lack of a face lift sales has slowed Mazda's sales, the whole market has slowed. The start/stop and cylinder deactivation did more harm to the brand than no new grill etc. Dealers need a boot rather than a hand as well.

 

[30pilot]

The model I have is $6000 more now than it was in 2022. The Buick Envista is a compelling competitor.

Which model is that?












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[ClandestineSaint]

😂 neglected parking lot, I’m dyin’ amen to that though. I used to make fun of big fancy pickup trucks with not a speck of mud, paint, or anything from actual “work”.

 

[ClandestineSaint]

A lot of people in the US/CAN market (where the CX-50 is definitely aimed in all of its "Americanized" design glory) seem to like the look of it. I find it too big, boxy & clumsy-looking in-general, though the front styling is nice overall. It starts to look a bit weird towards the rear to me for some reason & those "rugged cutouts" on the back to match the front vents (which I assume are functional) are just silly - & the thick plastic cladding gives it a cheaper look just like it does for the CX-30. I prefer the smaller, sleeker look of the CX-30 overall, & also the new exterior styling/look of the 2026 CX-5 over the CX-50. But, I know I'm a real outlier consumer in the US vehicle market with my personal tastes. I would be much happier in other global vehicle markets, where cool subcompact offerings & manual transmissions are still alive & thriving.

I also find it funny that most people in the US buying all these larger AWD "rugged" SUV/Crossovers vehicles will never encounter more rugged/difficult terrain than a neglected parking lot at their local supermarket, & more often than not they are just being used as single/double occupant basic transportation. 🤣

😂 neglected parking lot, I’m dyin’

Amen to that. I used to make fun of big fancy pickup truck owners who don’t have a speck of mud, paint, or any else that would indicate it being used for real work lmao

 

[Solsol]

....and?

Check out the how and why of tariffs, foreign tariffs on our products costs us, yes, you and me. They protect segments of U.S production and the jobs needed to produce. We lost the steel, and the jobs, and economic advantage domestic steel production provided. Then the foreign produces add tariffs we had to meet if we wanted steel. Tariffs protect American labor from the nearly non extant labor costs in other countries, while at the same time providing relief for the abused laborers in those countries, child labor, forced labor, slave labor, there still is slave labor. This only one example of the necessity of tariffs, they are most often the only retribution against the unfair trade practices of foreign greed.

Meaning that the model might not be popular to that specific market, plus Mazda themselves said that they stopped shipping cx 30 from Mexico to USA due to tariff shenanigans.

 

[30pilot]

Meaning that the model might not be popular to that specific market, plus Mazda themselves said that they stopped shipping cx 30 from Mexico to USA due to tariff shenanigans.

Temporarily....And...tariffs are not shenanigans. They serve to even up the trade deficits that have plagued this country unfairly for years.

 

[SDH]

Temporarily....And...tariffs are not shenanigans. They serve to even up the trade deficits that have plagued this country unfairly for years.

Just yet another method of funneling all the generated wealth of the US to the top few %, while screwing over the working-class. Consumers ultimately pay higher prices across the board on almost all goods from all those "scattered shotgun blast" blanket tariffs on the back-end, while the government collects all that money from tariffs on the front-end & uses it to fund more tax cuts, loopholes, giveaways, arbitrary bailouts & corporate welfare for the billionaire/millionaire/corporate class, with laughable token "trickle-down" at best (same old story of the last 45 years, starting with Ronald Reagan). The US (& both sell-out political parties) have done nothing over the last 45 years but oligarchy & corporatocracy building & that's why almost all the generated wealth of the nation is now consolidated at the very tip-top.

Meanwhile, regular small houses (& most rental apartments) today, as well as the typical/average new car price, is now more than double what the median income working American can can actually afford. 45 years ago, the median income individual could afford a house, a new car & support a family within a single-income household (I came from one of those type single-income basic median middle-class households - an enlisted/non-officer US Army household). Now, you need more than double the median 2025 US individual income to do the same thing. Food for thought on where this is going to ultimately end for most Americans. 💣 💣 💣

 

[hahnson]

Since Mazda is taking their sweet time with a new-gen (or even facelift-refresh) CX-30 or Mazda3 (their small vehicle red-headed stepchildren compared to their CX-5/CX-50 & larger offerings), I will probably return to the Honda fold in 2027 when my 5-year power-train warranty is finally expired on my CX-30. Thinking about trying either the new Honda Prelude Sports-Coupe (hybrid) or the Civic Sports Touring (hybrid).

I saw it as a big plus that they haven't gone into any major changes when i got my 2025 CX-30 instead of the older 3, , they have updated the navigation, added some connectivity and like the que assist steering works in 150 km/h as opposed to 60 on the older, it means the car should be very reliable, as they have clearly improved and probably fixed a lot of issues seen, i know for example the supercharger problems on the early X es are nomore, and they seem to have tuned it and improved as i get gasmilages i was not doing on the 2020 3

It feels refined and a bit oldschool, but not unmodern in any way in my eyes

 

[30pilot]

Just yet another method of funneling all the generated wealth of the US to the top few %, while screwing over the working-class. Consumers ultimately pay higher prices across the board on almost all goods from all those "scattered shotgun blast" blanket tariffs on the back-end, while the government collects all that money from tariffs on the front-end & uses it to fund more tax cuts, loopholes, giveaways, arbitrary bailouts & corporate welfare for the billionaire/millionaire/corporate class, with laughable token "trickle-down" at best (same old story of the last 45 years, starting with Ronald Reagan). The US (& both sell-out political parties) have done nothing over the last 45 years but oligarchy & corporatocracy building & that's why almost all the generated wealth of the nation is now consolidated at the very tip-top.

Meanwhile, regular small houses (& most rental apartments) today, as well as the typical/average new car price, is now more than double what the median income working American can can actually afford. 45 years ago, the median income individual could afford a house, a new car & support a family within a single-income household (I came from one of those type single-income basic median middle-class households - an enlisted/non-officer US Army household). Now, you need more than double the median 2025 US individual income to do the same thing. Food for thought on where this is going to ultimately end for most Americans. 💣 💣 💣

Trade deficits mean we pay more than we take in. Essentially it is akin to a household has a 100,000 income but spends 120,000, this, of course unsustainable. The difference is made up of additional taxes on individual, corporate, and other taxable sources, not cuts. Since Mazda's are IMported from Mexico, it should be noted that total imports from Mexico amount to $466.6 Billion, while EXport to Mexico are 309.4 billion a deficit of 157.2 Billion. The largest deficit is from China, 401.4 B in imports, 131 B exports for a deficit of 270.48 B. This is happening with multiple trade "partners" such as ..Costa Rica, imports are 10.8 B, exports are 8.98 a deficit of 1.5 B. Canada? their imports to U.S is 401.4 B and Canada accepts 322.4 B in export from U.S. a 54.88 B deficit. Tariffs are a means of reducing these deficits, to reduce the taxpayers burden, not "Karls" views as related above, takes time.

 

[Quix]

Trade deficits mean we pay more than we take in. Essentially it is akin to a household has a 100,000 income but spends 120,000, this, of course unsustainable. The difference is made up of additional taxes on individual, corporate, and other taxable sources, not cuts. Since Mazda's are IMported from Mexico, it should be noted that total imports from Mexico amount to $466.6 Billion, while EXport to Mexico are 309.4 billion a deficit of 157.2 Billion. The largest deficit is from China, 401.4 B in imports, 131 B exports for a deficit of 270.48 B. This is happening with multiple trade "partners" such as ..Costa Rica, imports are 10.8 B, exports are 8.98 a deficit of 1.5 B. Canada? their imports to U.S is 401.4 B and Canada accepts 322.4 B in export from U.S. a 54.88 B deficit. Tariffs are a means of reducing these deficits, to reduce the taxpayers burden, not "Karls" views as related above, takes time.

Trade deficits are unrelated to tariffs, they're a measure of the difference between the value of goods imported vs exported. This is mostly due to corporations and not governments. They also don't have any relation to the government's deficit, that's the difference between tax intake and spending.

Also, tariffs are a tax on the taxpayers so they cannot possibly lower their burden. The American companies that import things pay tariffs, even if they don't pass the cost on to their customers.

 

[30pilot]

Trade deficits are unrelated to tariffs, they're a measure of the difference between the value of goods imported vs exported. This is mostly due to corporations and not governments. They also don't have any relation to the government's deficit, that's the difference between tax intake and spending.

Also, tariffs are a tax on the taxpayers so they cannot possibly lower their burden. The American companies that import things pay tariffs, even if they don't pass the cost on to their customers.

Tariffs are obviously to even the difference between the "values" of goods traded. The trade deficit is a specific component of the national debt, see; "National debt: the connection between trade deficit and national debt" Tariffs are a tax on those who purchase foreign made goods. They are used to protect domestic industry from foreign competition. They are used to negotiate fair trade agreements. American companies should not be obliged to pick up the cost, which will, sooner or later be passed on to consumers,....or go out of business, steel, oil, clothing etc. We do have many American made products if we look for them, see; allamericanclothing.com for instance. There is a shoe sold in America for an average price of $109.00. The tariff is on the declared value at the port of entry, in this case $10.27, the tariff being $2.57, total price now being $111.57. Tom avoid the tariff tax, buy American made products. Tariffs have significantly been reduced in recent months as foreign countries have renegotiated trade agreements, so tariffs work.

P.S. governments impose tariffs, not corporations.